tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post114003957750098540..comments2023-10-07T15:01:23.872+01:00Comments on Not Little England: Smoking ban and market freedomsMatGBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1140289251733613802006-02-18T19:00:00.000+00:002006-02-18T19:00:00.000+00:00Matt,Although I don't agree with them, I think tha...Matt,<BR/><BR/>Although I don't agree with them, I think that such things as you mention are valid lines of argument against the ban. I just don't think it's a civil liberty issue. Unlike, say, banning smoking completely.<BR/><BR/>After all, "give me a smoking zone or give me death" doesn't really have the right ring to it. :-)<BR/><BR/>(What if the workers also smoke also occurred to me, by the way - but then what if they later want to quit? Must they also quit their job? It's far from a given that another job will be available.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1140288617229985752006-02-18T18:50:00.000+00:002006-02-18T18:50:00.000+00:00Which is, essentially, why I'm loath to involve it...Which is, essentially, why I'm loath to involve it in any broad "what NuLab have done wrong" campaign.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the workers, two responses, one is to regulate to ensure decent regulation, second is a) passive smoking link unproven, b) what if they themselves smoke, the staff at my favourite cafe all do c) essential market choice, why not move jobs to a pub that disallows it?<BR/><BR/>I truly believe the workers rights thing to be a horrible smokescreen in favour of "making us all healthier" nannying.<BR/><BR/>But, it's done; it's not something I myself am going to worry about too much; I don't smoke.MatGBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1140288038548359362006-02-18T18:40:00.000+00:002006-02-18T18:40:00.000+00:00I agree that lumping in a smoking ban with the gen...I agree that lumping in a smoking ban with the general assault on civil liberties does a disservice to the real civil liberty issues.<BR/><BR/>It's all very well to say non-smokers can go elsewhere however those who work in smoking establishments generally cannot. <BR/><BR/>As a smoker I do not believe a smoking ban unfairly restrain mine or anyone's freedom to smoke, any more than I would consider the fact that I cannot tattoo my message on your forehead to be a limit on my freedom of speech. Liberty doesn't include the right to poison people, basically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1140081827604086012006-02-16T09:23:00.000+00:002006-02-16T09:23:00.000+00:00I gave up smoking in 2003 and I do prefer a smoke-...I gave up smoking in 2003 and I do prefer a smoke-free workplace. I won't be sorry to see the back of smoking in the pub either. But I never had a problem with a small room being set aside for smokers to smoke in, and in the pub polite smokers will go and smoke outside or at the bar if they're with non-smokers anyway.Katy Newtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13623177126862869055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1140044292490146822006-02-15T22:58:00.000+00:002006-02-15T22:58:00.000+00:00Who said it shouldn't be regulated at all? Me? M...Who said it shouldn't be regulated at all? Me? Maybe you should read it again.<BR/><BR/>I want proper ventilation and an encouragement system to push businesses in favour of banning it of their own volition, the market case is strong anyway.<BR/><BR/>But there should always be a small number of venues that allow smoking, in order that smokers can themselves be served.<BR/><BR/>Not all, not the majority, just a small number.<BR/><BR/>I wish people would actually pay attention; it's not "everwhere allows smoking" / "ban smoking". That's a stupid black/white choice worthy of Dubbya at his worse.MatGBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1140043601177148662006-02-15T22:46:00.000+00:002006-02-15T22:46:00.000+00:00Another thing that the market cannot fix it, is th...Another thing that the market cannot fix it, is that big tobacco creates fears, fake studies, so nearly no business go smoke-free by self-regulation.<BR/><BR/>Killing others is no thing the market should decide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1140043442911386932006-02-15T22:44:00.000+00:002006-02-15T22:44:00.000+00:00A lot of rubbish was and is said, but fact is, tha...A lot of rubbish was and is said, but fact is, that toxic indoor pollution and safety-laws are no market-things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com