tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post113745445843501309..comments2023-10-07T15:01:23.872+01:00Comments on Not Little England: Why Preferential systems beat run-off ballotsMatGBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1137590489328134352006-01-18T13:21:00.000+00:002006-01-18T13:21:00.000+00:00So-called Instant Runoff Voting is what they use i...So-called Instant Runoff Voting is what they use in Australia and PNG; IRV is what they called it when they used it in some wacky elections in British Columbia, IIRC. Almost all Australian lower houses are elected by this system, with the upper house elected by PR, except in Tasmania where, crazily, the situation is reversed. (In the interests of those with no sense of humour, I have removed the remark I was going to post about inbreeding, headcounts and exit polls).<BR/><BR/>The sad point about the 2002 French presidential election is that it shows up a problem with STV/AV: the order in which candidates are eliminated affects the outcome. This is a very minor effect in practice, but it is a stick the detractors of single-seat constituencies use to beat AV.<BR/><BR/>The scary point about that election is that one voter in three opted for an extremist (and that's just if you count the communists, trots and Front National and its splinter; you get an even bigger figure counting the souverainistes, the greens, and the hunting and fishing lot). About the only happy thing about the result is that the Christian Democratic parties which infest democratic politics in Germany, the UK, Benelux and Australia are nowhere to be seen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1137532023929637962006-01-17T21:07:00.000+00:002006-01-17T21:07:00.000+00:00Phil, I'm going to keep it in, slightly edited, bu...Phil, I'm going to keep it in, slightly edited, but I'll add a lazy link to <A HREF="http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.php" REL="nofollow">Political Compass</A>; I don't, actually, disagree with their analysis on this one, especially over welfare provisions; the BNP want to nationalise a few things for a start.<BR/><BR/>As to the second bit, the Brownshirts et al may have been a sop, but the early N-S movement did have elements that appealed to socialist sensibilities even if it wasn't truely socialist. Again, I'll clarify a little, I plan to refer to this post a bit in the future.MatGBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1137529484910495892006-01-17T20:24:00.000+00:002006-01-17T20:24:00.000+00:00it's pretty well established that the supposed "Fa...<I>it's pretty well established that the supposed "Far Right" aren't really right wing economically, the National Socialists were called that for a reason</I><BR/><BR/>This is a good post, but it'd be better if you cut out the line I've just quoted - the first half is highly debatable and the second is rubbish. (I've studied Nazi Germany at postgrad level; the idea that there was anything socialist about National Socialism doesn't get much mileage.)Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1137516382105992482006-01-17T16:46:00.000+00:002006-01-17T16:46:00.000+00:00Snoo; it's very hard to tell, some of the socialis...Snoo; it's very hard to tell, some of the socialists were opposed because it 'watered down' EU social provision, was too 'market oriented' and 'anglo saxon'.<BR/><BR/>The point that the stuff they objected to in the constitution on free markets, etc, was mostly stuff being copied across from previous treaties was, from what I could see, bypassed.<BR/><BR/>Very hard to read, I know the mechanics of how it works, but the party politics throws me completely, I ought to learn more but, well, it's the French. ;-)<BR/><BR/>@ Eulogist? Yes, I know, yes, you should, and I think you agree with the entire point of the post; well done...MatGBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17312454.post-1137502654570236222006-01-17T12:57:00.000+00:002006-01-17T12:57:00.000+00:00What I know about French politics you could fill a...What I know about French politics you could fill a typical Sun editorial with, but didn't the French left broadly get in line (minus some of the Socialists) for the EU NO campaign? <BR/><BR/>Just wondered how that might pan for elections in the future...snooohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04508286452632620375noreply@blogger.com